by Jonathan Welton. This is what is fundamentally and pervasively wrong with the religious zealots of today- they are trying to usurp and replace what ONLY Jesus can do IN THEM AND THROUGH THEM. Amen Roger, good wordsimplicity. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. Stay bless. He is NOT MR. Wierdsville! It occurred to me that all that was necessary was to touch the tips of my fingers on the top of the patients head, and then the vibrations would not jar her. One more thing. I believe the purpose of Torbens video is to show how to make disciples, take them out on the street to pray and witness. Person now worships God, praises Jesus, and is Torben born again due to the fact that they can now speak in gibberish tongues. He thought God was going to leave him hanging out on a limb after Moses said all the things God told him to say. Torben Soendergaard was booked on Thursday June, 30th, 2022 . He was baptized as a baby in the state church and later confirmed, but it was only because of tradition. That is a very big issue, in my view. We warn our children not to do things with their safety in mind but we dont call in fearmongering! For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. John 6:15 Step 5. Jonathan Yet another person who watched the first 30 seconds of the video and ignored the rest. He is excited to share with others what GOD is doing. They do nothing themselves. But the Lord is both merciful and mighty and He is able to deliver His own if they are willing and repent of idolatry etc. After all, isnt the point of all this to bring people to Jesus and not focus on the healing? always been very clear that true healings, prophecies, dreams, Jesus is 100% God but He also was and is and always will be a very easy and normal MAN and to live with. Are you serious? Thank you for your comment. My suggestion would be to lose the first video. Jhn 17:20 NASB I do not ask on behalf of these ALONE, BUT FOR THOSE ALSO who believe in Me through their word; WHO does the SAVING? Those that dont see what this man is doing, are not filled with the Holy Spirit. This is how His Kingdom comes in the earth! Torben believes in taking new Christians out on the street very quickly to pray for the sick and share the gospel. The Lord Himself showed His disciples, He prayed for every sick person in his extended family, sick people related to friends and acquaintances, etc. The male, with a recorded age of 45 was arrested for suspicion of the below crimes: Bail has been set to $0 for Soendergaard which is listed as a white male. So if you dont speak in tongues you are: Torben Sndergaard even speaks about people being baptised multiple times; two, three and even four times in the following video, and he quotes Acts 19 to back up this teaching. I believe in the Power of the Lord to do miracles. Jesus so many times told those He had healed to tell no-one. Lightening Storm, We are gentiles and we believe solely by faith and we do not need to be baptized in water. Are multitudes of people following anything proof of it spiritual authenticity? For what? Too many of us have gone too far the other way as a result of the charismania hype and false revivals. Bethel practices fire tunnels to get drunk in the spirit. He chose twelve disciples to preach the Kingdom of God, not to create a sect. The flip side is we did these things in your name and Jesus replied depart from me you workers of lawlessness. Whats the point of us being baptised in water? Andrew J, at least you dont call Bill Johnson a cancer on the Body of Christ! Jesus said Greater things would we do after He went to be with His father. Jesus shows us TRUE FAITH. Somebody asked about Bill Johnson He is the current Mayor of WIERDSVILLE or at least Deputy Mayor! At last this gives me hope I was beginning to think God had forgotten us who are ill = Yes, I always believed He heals today He just doesnt heal me No I wont let that effect me I love Jesus and always will and will always endeavour to follow Him as His Word says Trust and obey I will. If I were to just watch the first video, I would definitely right Torben off as one more phony. In the video at 1:13 min they say you get baptised (in water) FOR THE REMISSION OF YOUR SINS this is 100% not biblical. Torben Kjr Sndergaard, bedre kendt som Torben Sndergaard (fdt 9. august 1976 [2] ), er en dansk radikal kristen forkynder fra Brande i Danmark. Circumcision was not a foreshadow of water baptism. A friend of mine then asked her if she wanted to become a Christian having seen the power of God at work God is good to heal the unsaved to show who He is. Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. Finally, and most importantly, I never saw anyone who was healed, truly repent and declare Jesus as Lord. Those who are the Sons of G-d are led by Him- Romans 8:14. No one could get him to stop rejoicing and praising God. Isnt it true that we all usually cease arguing and just start being in awe and amazement and gratitude and joy when Jesus walks in us and does His wonderful works in us? Doing the REAL thing is NOT a prim and proper church serviceit is messy..take a look at the demonic deliverances in the NT. I stand by my statements that all the supposed healings in these videos cannot be objectively proven by the video evidence alone. None of us are perfect. 4 Then said Paul, John truly baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying to the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Lightning amen! But it is patently obvious to me from listening to him preach and reading his statement of faith on his local congregations website that he does know and believe and love the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ he knows He is God and he knows He is Lord I am not saying that he is perfect, I am not saying that everything he does or endorses is right or perfect but if we see such a one who loves our Lord Jesus Christ endorsing or doing something which we dont believe to be right or true what is our response to be? If it would make any difference to you I could give you several examples, but suffice it to say that obeying God is the best way we can show we love Him. If there is one charlatan, then they rebuke all who perform wonders and healings in the Name of Jesus. The worship leader sang (chanted actually) the words come, come, come over and over again. The day is coming when nobody will question who is of God and who is not, because gross darkness will cover the earth and the people, but the glory of the Lord will be SEEN upon HIS people! Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever! Last week we published a video of an old friend of mine, Torben It is starting to get gangrene where the wooden leg attaches. Ample scriptures indicate that they will appear as ministers of the gospel, not ministers of the enemy. stayed in his home and spent time with his family. Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from Prison Call in LIVE: (866) 348-7884 What the gentleman from Denmark is doing can to very easily be confused with the frauds and charlatans who claim to have healing ministries. You must be part of the deception then because this stuff is of the occult, demonic manifestations , false signs meant to deceive. Guess most like the overblown antics that most of todays healers/preachers do. And after all, Paul himself said that ANYTHING THAT IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN. Just because someone says Lord, Lord, does not mean he is a child of God. 1.Repent(turn back) to the Father Torben Sondergaard is a Danish pastor who is facing extraordinary persecution for exercising his Christian faith. I didnt want it to be about me so I asked my young lady helper to lay hands on her and pray . document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Minister Starker. I know I have never heard it talked about that I can remember and so the Lord is teaching me. So called religious devotion and zeal initiated by man IS UNHOLY AND PROFANE regardless out good intentions! It is the In Jesus name we pray ! He believes this is a vital part of true disciple- Read this article: http://www.chirobase.org/06DD/activator.html. Im honestly smiling about this; not offended one bit, though I do feel sorry for yall. `in His hand is a sacred censer.`, This shows the regenerative ability of the entitled Son of Man in His Creatorship & Judgeship. barryrschmidt@gmail.com, You know friends I totally get and appreciate both sides of the questioning miracles argument. I used to think I was proud when I filled those out because I moved in every gift regularly Then I realized its NOT MY GIFTINGS BUT JESUS IN ME! Every time they went in to repair damage it was already healed. Finally we are in Torbin people who move in power in Jesus name who are fully clothed and in their right minds!. Gods whole plan was to tabernacle with man, and yet the Hebrews wanted Moses to hear from God and they would do whatever God told Moses to tell them to do. Rather than deal with this in a respectable and honest manner, all that happens is people resort to name calling, ridicule, and saying that just because multitudes of people believe it, therefore it must be true. So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. My kids and I actually went out and did it too. There is absolutely nothing wrong with testing the spirit, e.g. Torben Sndergaard prays in tongues over the person one can only shudder as to what demonic entity he is communicating with. fromheaven,orofmen? Today is the day of salvation, work while it is yet day. The truth about Torben Sondergaard and the Last Reformation. Ha, ha, ha! I think you are right Barry. This is Elijah against the the 450 prophets of baal. a) of those startled by strange sights or occurrences believe this authentic move of the Holy Spirit is only recent..? Andrew J I have been very specific and clear about the problems I have with Bill Johnson. Danish TV infiltrated his ministry with undercover reporters for a documentary titled God's Best Children, which lumped Sndergaard in with other leaders of so-called "radical Christian" ministries who had had serious moral or ethical failures or even criminal activity. I love HIM even more. Perfect love casts out fear. Dont let him do it to you. It didnt work. Bless you. I am also sad to report that I knew a man whose wife was dying of cancer. Where do you get your identity? Once again, you are putting water H2O on par with the blood of Jesus, and that, my friend is very, very dangerous. Jhn 17:14 NASB I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Torben in that instance yes, because their baptism was a baptism unto repentance, now they had to be baptised by the Holy Spirit into believing in Christ Jesus. 2.Where did Jesus say that? My initial reaction of the first video is that it is a hoax. God is new every morning and so is His Holy Spirit leading. It is always Christ plus something else (usually new age). A few weeks later the man came back, bringing about 200 people with him, telling many at the meeting that he had gotten his old job back. Seymour had approached a man with a wooden leg and asked, What did you come here for? The man replied, I want you to pray for my leg. He said that it would not only be one or two places, but it would be all over the country. Agreed Andrew.avoid those who 2Tim3v5,,,,have a form of godliness but deny the power.we need miracles and healings etc .and oh how we need discerning of spirits to get delivered from the power of darkness and lazy religious demons.. Jesus hasnt changed! So the Hebrews ASSUMED THEY KNEW GODS FORMULA FOR SUCCESS. Squashers of joy, and those who make light when someone says theyve been healed by Gods power, would rather remind the church about the warning that many will heal in His Name and do works in His Name and expect entrance into heaven, and Jesus will say, Depart, I never knew you. Likewise, the couple is the parent of their children in every way. So when Moses comes back down the mountain the second time his face shone and he would hide it because the glory would fade. Only those who were damned to eternal perdition were baptized (dunked UNDER/IN) the water. What I find very disappointing is that when some of us want to engage in an honest discussion about this story, we are met with name calling and ridicule. This was not the example of the early church. To me, he is one of the few preachers Torben is actually seeing it work IN PRACTICE. www.TheLastReformation.com Torben Sndergaard | Orlando FL Come on people! Andrew, why do you attack the truth in the age of deception? He was making the essential distinction between those who were Gods and those who were not, not a sectarian distinction among those who were Gods. Jesus 1st miracle was getting a whole wedding party DRUNK.by turning water into the very best of wines. Jesus healed him. If it happened on the Day of Pentecost, who said that it would never happen again? Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene, while Annas and Caiaphas were high priests, the word of God came to John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. The Bible distinctly says, For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. This is precisely why Jesus (God) had to become like us in all things except sin. I`ve felt people try & do that to me. reacted quite badly. Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. 2.getting water baptized(immersed) on my faith in the name of Jesus The miracle spoke for itself. Wow.Amen Marie! Next, Sister Lankford told of the man with no arm. Thank you Roger for letting us know he`s OK. Tell him he is missed & know that God is with him. This is not the shekinah glory of God in this video, saying you believe in Jesus and not knowing a demonic false sign is a result of making self your god. There may have been those that didnt respond in love and in a true biblical manner to honestly test the spirits, but to generalize anyone who didnt believe the video as true biblical healing as a cynic was wrong to do. Gal 3:27 I did nothing of myself ! Wheres the beef in WIERDSVILLE ? Such being the case, we must go to the Bible to determine God's will with regard to modern - day apostles. Im glad you brought this up Barry, because the scriptures overwhelmingly tell us that Gods ways are set apart from those of the enemy. This i believe: Jesus was emphasizing both the Water and His pending Holy Spirit in Jhn 3:5 Thank you Andrew for this next follow up of Torben. Each person has their own homemade version/definition of what that means. Jesus hasnt changed! supermarkets of America. Many Christians will fall into deception because of this speaking in tongues phenomenon and the Spirit of Fire that accompanies speaking in tongues. See this article: Ask to pray for a person, any person, hijack them in the street or a store if necessary, and lay your lands on them if possible. By its fruit you will know whether the tree is good or bad. Any time anyone brings up her concerns she says in essence: Torben warns that we will be persecuted for our faith-you are the persecutors. The word was that Denmark would become known as the Pool of Bethesda. He sold all he had, quit his job and moved to Redding California, in what he thought was faith, to get his wife healed. a) to seek to promote ones interests It is not his teachings that I have flagged so much. He has regard for all. it was very common in the early church and i just studed Jude , one chapter . Yet these men have said that God did these things and gave glory to Him. http://www.apostasywatch.com/Wolves/WolfReports/BillJohnsonBethelChurchReddingCa/WARNINGBILLJOHNSONandBETHELCHURCH/tabid/260/Default.aspx. Literally what to do to get Rom 3:23 KJV For all have sinned, and COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD; In other words.you have failed to manifest the tangible Presence of God and His Nature. An x-ray showed severe damage, and I was off work for 3 weeks on my back, then a return to work still suffering from pain in lower back and leg (sciatica). All of us instantly felt heat like a fire go through us all. What inexpressible pleasure God the Father enjoyed when unveiling His Son`s true character & credentials, for the purpose of showing His bond servants the regal nature of His well Beloved. Will you tithe if I pray for you and God gives you your arm back? The leg lengthening thing Ive seen happen in real life and, no, it wasnt a trick because I knew everyone involved and they were almost as shocked as I was. Or, would he just rebuke the illness, and be on to the next person? Thank you for letting the power of God be shown . Baptizing you in water is a way of taking you back to the Hebrew way of doing things, and you push Jesus Christ completely out of the picture as the One who forgives you of your sin, instead the immersion in water is what forgives you instead. 1,664 talking about this. There are other keys but it is good to get used to using one for awhile first. So this is a challenge to all of us believers -wait upon Him, wait for the Holy Spirit unction and His power upon us from on high, and go out, wherever our going out is located geographically, and When we do so, we first learn that the word "apostle" comes from the Greek word apostolos, which means "one sent from or forth, a messenger, delegate" (Arndt and Gingrich, 1957, p. 99; Thayer, 1901, p. 68). If you really believe what you are saying about Bill Johnson to be true then why dont you say, The Holy Spirit told me that Bill Johnson doesnt belong to God, is not a child of God and is purposefully leading the people of God astray as a messenger of Satan? TheDude, telling us you are being humble and gracious REAKS of self-righteousness . Seymour burst out laughing. As I came out from under Rick Joyners Morning Star Ministries school for the prophetic, I see very many similarities from the teachings in that school to the teachings in Johnsons school. People who claim to be believe in Jesus who dont even recognize Him when He is in one if His servants doing exactly what He always does- loving ordinary people, healing the sick, casting out demons and preaching good news??? Not as playthings, not as things we use and do with as WE (flesh) please. In this case, I dont know if Toben is an elder or not as that fact is not made clear. I am having such a hard time accepting that the word WEIRD only applies to the demonic. No Manuels, no charging new Christians money so they can also heal the sick, no techniques, just a very simple prayer in Jesus name and IT WORKS! Let God arise and let His enemies be scattered ! The Lord has put His Teachings (laws) in our hearts where we do not have to ask others but will know inherently His Will Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33-34. The Bible is replete with verses about this (some of which I pointed out in m previous post). Attacks against his ministry in Denmark began in 2016 when the Jesus Center was investigated by six different Danish government agencies for everything from food safety to unpaid taxes. How could a man break 4 to 6 inches of hard sapphire? It needs to be the Holy Spirit enlightening our eyes with His keys for interpreting His Word. Neither did He give any dogmas or creeds which may be used to distinguish believers from non-believers. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Each time they went into battle, THEY INQUIRED OF THE LORD and the Lord told them to put the Ark of the Lord in front of them..and VOILA..they won the battle. Faith, maybe. Dont for one moment let the cynics and hopelessness-mongers drag you down. If and when I ever go public with my deeds, then you can test me to see if it is of the Lord. We have almost lost the ability to discern. No believer who reads their bible would believe that person. They did every technique they knew and nothing worked. God is doing a work in all believers. c) (Piel) to make afraid, terrify ! Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. Ive been porn and masturbation free from that very day. the Hebrew word: yare is used 305 times in the OT.most OFTEN in the NEGATIVE. There isnt any! Perceiving then that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, Jesus withdrew again to the mountain by himself. Torben Sondergaard Prison Updates the Truth shall make you free 68.7K subscribers Subscribe 33 3.7K views 3 weeks ago Con-Artist Torben Sondergaard Official Jail Update. Bob Jones, Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, etc, are all in cahoots with each other. aberrant, abnormal, addlepated, flaky; extraordinary, fantastic (also fantastical), freak, freakish, freaky, phantasmagoric (or phantasmagorical), phenomenal; atypical, rare, singular, uncommon, uncustomary, unique, unusual, unwonted; conspicuous, notable, noticeable, outstanding, prominent, salient, striking; atrocious, outrageous, shocking; crotchety, idiosyncratic, nonconformist, nonmainstream, out-there, unconventional, unorthodox; baffling, bewildering, confounding, mystifying, perplexing, puzzling, Near Antonyms All I was doing was pointing out that the video evidence alone doesnt prove what it purports to prove. I love that statement you said, `the simplicity that is in Christ.` Those who CANNOT GIVE UP CONTROL TO THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NOT MANIFEST THE FRUIT OR THE GIFTS. Afterfastingfor 40 days Torben Sndergaard also believes that God revealed a self-help book for him,[28]saying I will give you one chapter each day.[29]. 3.and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit in faith with the signs of tongues, casting out demons and healing the sick with the laying on of hands in faith. All Rights Reserved. Was it not God who originated each miracle and the devils servants Jannes and Jambres who were the copycats ? He avoided being arrested in 2019. If legs are lengthened, I say, Halleluia and thank you Jesus. This is what deception is all about. Outline of Biblical Usage, https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g908/kjv/tr/0-1/. (Galatians 5:15 NASB), If you slander Gods children then God doesnt like it , I would rather stay silent about someone than slander them. I did nothing of myself ! The manna that came down from heaven.miraculously. When man comes in and says look what we have done and is proud of that which has been done, then pride has entered in. If this work of Torben is not of God then it will come to nothing, but if it is of God then God Himself will confirm His word and His minister. That HE speaks the truth in our hearts/spirit by the Spirit of truth? Johnson does say something quite alarming in his book, When Heaven Invades Earth. He says, He (Jesus) performed miracles, wonders, and signs, as a man in right relationship to God.not as God (page 29). Of course not. In the early 80s, I suffered from a ruptured/prolapsed/slipped disc in my lower back. We are not pulling down anyone. There is no time like the present. Exd 4:6 KJV And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And when man USES these things, that is witchcraft. Johnsons bethel healing rooms use techniques such as father ladders, fruit loop, and four doors. The Manuel is full of rules and regulations. Try it you will like it!!! This video does a VERY poor job showing that these people are doing. I think it is entirely possible that Holy Spirit may answer the prayers and heal the person involved as a means of authenticating the message of the Gospel. Sondergaard claims to be an apostle and healer of the faith. We dont just sit back and say well God will take care of everybody so I dont have to be concerned or do at thing. Jhn 17:13 NASB But now I come to You; and these things I speak in the world so that they may have My joy made full in themselves. Once burned twice shyis not a bilixal concept!!! This is the understanding that GOD gave me, it is not of myself because I didnt have a clue. Its sad that christians would mock other christians and claim they cannot discern the false from the truth when it comes to their personal walk with the Lord. You cannot use this passage to validate water baptism. And yet He said, But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! (Luke 12:50). The simplicity, the sincerity & humbleness is so refreshing to see. It is good to testify, in simplicity, and as the Lord leads when it is seemly and glorifying to Him, but it is not for us to try and make it into something. To Torben, I would say that if what you are doing is of the Lord, you dont need to go around tooting your own horn about it. Remove the hardness and scar tissues of doubt, unbelief, ungodly fear and incredulity we recieved from those days of past deception. Videos. It's time we start obeying Jesus' words and make disciples of all nations. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. Acknowledge means to yada/know Him intimately. They are not satisfied with belonging to Jesus, they would make Jesus belong to them. The staff of Moses that he had in his hand turned into a snake as a sign to the Egyptians, we do not read of this miracle occurring later outside of Egypt..so think about what it was speaking to them. Now lets take a look at what the scriptures REALLY say about WEIRD things taking place in Jesus Life.not to mention the disciples lives. It is in our HEART how we treat the things of God but that is what repentance is for, and growth. Only God knows. Torben Sondergaard is paired with his delightful wife, Lene Sondergaard. I know that Im sticking my neck out with this post but I cannot remain silent on this issue . Will try the link you posted. mania in recent times, it is very easy to become cynical about The doctor in charge was an atheist and so outraged by it all that he destroyed the medical files and even the record of the man being admitted. So I would like to ask you about a danish evangelist Torben Sondergaard. weird, eerie, uncanny mean mysteriously strange or fantastic. Fearmongers is a negative description of people who warn others. The Hebrews made that same mistake and they got burned badly. Another thought in regard to your important statement `the simplicity of Christ,` is that it leads us to focussing on the `true,` as Andrew Strom has encouraged us to do. Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Averyl, I also missed Randall & his posts. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. Titus 3:5 and many more comments that try to pick apart every aspect of them. EVERY sin and iniquity can be traced back to NOT BELIEVING 1 or any number of these 5 statements below. If you do not understand something it is better to be quiet because it is possible your fighting against God. May we look beyond the instrument and method that Almighty God will choose to use at His discretion and give Him the glory and recognition for His involvement in our individual lives..? Yesterday I posted some advice to these dear brothers to run away from the spotlight, from cameras, and from those who would try to make them kings, but it looks like I may have forgotten to hit the send buttonthat was the wisdom the Lord gave to me in a flash yesterday and sought to share it. If I and others who believed and prayed and were filled, which christian would rebuke this? "The beauty of it was that in the course of explaining and teaching the court about what it means to walk out one's faith as a Christian, Torben was able to share scripture.". Share on twitter. Its not just a matter of someone professing correct doctrine with their lips, but an indwelling of the Holy Spirit such that, when it acts through us, people are brought to repentance, recognizing Jesus as Lord. My answer is simple Jesus never copied ANYONE. Jesus was concerned enough about Lazarus to weep at his death, and then He did something about it. Youve asked if I obey everything that Jesus tells me to do. For example of these : Jesus healing on the Sabbath, touching lepors, letting hookers wash his feet with their hair and speaking with Samaritan women ( all of hear were scandalous in His culture and no one with any cultural sensitivity would even dream of doing such things in that culture)- YET GOD SEEMED TO LOVE TO PICK A FIGHT WITH AND SCANDALIZE THE INSINCERE AND THE SKEPTIC! 1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.. 1 There are believers like me who are VERY cynical about some guy on the internet who claims to be able to heal people like this gentleman is doing.